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Post  tofuemperor on Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:51 am

Time played : 3 hrs

Result :
This is simply the worst mission attempt ever. More than 1hr to complete first map with 1 survivor barely escape leaving 3 others to die and a tank alive & running. After that, smooth progress in 2nd map however all escape with very low life (red bar). And then the 3rd map, which progress has been bad and finally couldnt be completed at all. 4th and finale maps are still unaccounted for.

Review by tofu :

This is expert mode which all the player are new to the given campaign. Though it's not unfamiliar for us since L4D 1 and Dead Center campaign, it's fair to say that we lack of practice (expert mode) and also I, if not all of us, underestimated this campaign especially the 1st map. Personally, I lost my morale after the 4th attempt of the 1st map & have been going berserk since. Going into 2nd map with moderate health has given us the edge to barely escape with red health. This is actually bad news for the 3rd map. Roller coaster final part really killed us all when it require at minimum moderate health to run at a steady speed.

There have been a couple of friendly fire, some good special infected combo & silly mistakes but I would say mainly the damages came from the hordes. Zombies running without a sense of direction, zig zagging, dropping of from nowhere & ambushes really caught the players. Still the special infected provide a good distraction for the zombies to attack.

Food for thought :

Teamwork is as important as oneself independence. I notice I got blamed for running off ahead of others leaving myself or others behind vulnerable. One of the main reason is bcos I wanted to search for a good place to stand off against the zombies. Second is bcos I want to keep moving (of course I cannot run around my teammates while they are shooting). Another is simply bcos I dun trust others to cover my back. Sometimes it end up with friendly fire instead of covering fire. True I might be hurt in the process or even assaulted by special infected, but I will still take the risk. Nevertheless, I will keep myself within my teammates view.

Aosh lack of shooting puzzled me with the reason of afraid of friendly fire due to Barney and my irregular movements. My logic is simple. More firepower + accuracy = More zombies dies in lesser time. The more time we take to clear hordes = More damages inflict onto survivors. I think Aosh should just shoot, however if kena me then ur kuku.

Conclusion :

If we still fail to complete in 2nd attempt I will retire from L4D.
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  tofuemperor on Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:40 pm

bwahahahaha.....my review too good and fair leh....nobody dare to criticize....
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  aosh2tm on Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:50 am

tofumaster wrote:bwahahahaha.....my review too good and fair leh....nobody dare to criticize....

Ya.. it is entirely my fault as what tofu said. i will resign from this game at least on this month.
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  aosh2tm on Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:37 am

Anyway, back to the actual review. As what we see this 3 hours of playing, we have played very badly. Many attempts in first map shows how terrible the team mates has played. As i can admit, I think the main culprit is actually myself. Yes, that's me.

The performance of others teammates were still ok but was not enough and make some very high impact mistake. Let me point afew:
1) In first map, we underestimated the hordes attack and the special infected combo, there's not much covering each other. On 4th attempt, tofu gone berserk and make the attempt more difficult to achieve. Plus he use katana 1 one 1 with normal infected and down.
2) Barney (especially him) and tofu making too many movement causing friendly fire by me
3) Barney make wrong decision by not saving skl during roller coaster event

Overall the skl still taking his role at his best while the dual frontal, barney and tofu does make the clearance, the only need to improve is me to allocate my own role and where i should belong.
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  barney on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:42 am

tofumaster wrote:bwahahahaha.....my review too good and fair leh....nobody dare to criticize....

lan la...aosh not shooting more frequently is because want to stop shooting ur ass and my ass. i always try not to run in front of aosh and when i do is when things started to get HOT when i have to step up and fire
-now to solve this problem we need to have a mind set NEVER run in front of a live firing range

another thing is NEVER ever run ahead of ur team mate alone when the rest of them are shooting zombies. u make urself vulnerable to zombie attack and hard for us to cover ur as (proven already that u get hurt more than us). its plain stupidity to run ahead of ur team mate trying to find a place to cover ur own ass where we behind already form a formation where we have cover 3/4 angles.
-now to solve this problem we will have to stick together no matter what. only scatter when we really need to scatter like when spitter spits, boomer spit and charger coming at your direction.

MELEE weapons are not used at all situation of the game! tofu shows his frustration using a katana to slice all zombie but in the end only give us more problems. Yes it may be cool to always use a melee weapon and attack all fucking zombie like a hero but in the end that sword wont help you much.
-now to solve this problem we need tofu cooperation to use melee at only suitable situation like when there is no hords and use guns when we really need those bullets to kill alot of zombie instead of 1 katana againts 10 zombies.....

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now everyone has their own weakness so i would like to suggest this formation on our 2nd attempt .

1-1-2 L4D2 formation (1 sniper and 3 machine gun/shotgun)



for support type can move around their formation to get a clean shot coz the assaulter is in front and may be blocking view. so pandai pandai move around to get a clean shot but always stay in formation

OR

1-2-1 L4D2 formation (4 machine gun/shotgun) not everytime we get to see sniper around



for support type can move around their formation to get a clean shot coz
the assaulter is in front and may be blocking view. so pandai pandai
move around to get a clean shot but always stay in formation and dont shoot wrongly

-we need discipline at all time.
-we need to communicate with each other at all times (like when see special infected or heard special infected just shout out)
-we need to if we need to split up(when facing boomer spit / spiter and charger need ti know who take left and who take right. must go in pairs. i suggest me and aosh, skl and tofu
-with these formation never ever run in front of someone shooting and if you need to should out that you need to run past him so he can stop shooting
-always be aware of where your teammates are and this is crutially important for you save ur teammate asses

i will add in more if i can think of and i will draw out of the formation and post them here for you to have a clearer pic. please...we need everyone corporations to get through this as a TEAM!
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  skl2010 on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:26 pm

Quote from Barney

- NEVER run in front of a live firing range

That is true. Mostly I hit u bcos u always cross in front of me when I am firing. Forgive me if I incaped u with my sniper rifle cos its 1 hit down Razz. Addition to your point is for front line try to look back more often cos when we moving in team the teammate behind can hardly notice the zombies behind cos we are facing front.

- another thing is NEVER ever run ahead of ur team mate alone when the rest of them are shooting zombies. u make urself vulnerable to zombie attack and hard for us to cover ur as (proven already that u get hurt more than us). its plain stupidity to run ahead of ur team mate trying to find a place to cover ur own ass where we behind already form a formation where we have cover 3/4 angles.

Another additional point is when u are being vomitted, try to stick together where teammates are able to spot u and cover fire. The better is to duck down so that we can spot the zombies more clearly and shoot it.

-now to solve this problem we will have to stick together no matter what. only scatter when we really need to scatter like when spitter spits, boomer spit and charger coming at your direction.

The scatter part I have to add on abit. We scatter only when spitter spits cos we still can cover teammates even though scattered. As for boomer, we strictly need to stick together bcos we need teammates covering fire more than spitter spits bcos our vision blurs when kena vomit. We can hardly see our teamates where abouts when we are scattered.

- MELEE weapons are not used at all situation of the game! tofu shows his frustration using a katana to slice all zombie but in the end only give us more problems. Yes it may be cool to always use a melee weapon and attack all fucking zombie like a hero but in the end that sword wont help you much.
-now to solve this problem we need tofu cooperation to use melee at only suitable situation like when there is no hords and use guns when we really need those bullets to kill alot of zombie instead of 1 katana againts 10 zombies.....

My suggestion: Use any guns available. Shoot them in sight, never let them come near. Use melee only when you're out of bullets, thats the worst condition to fight. Melee is only good for Normal and Advance mode and VS mode, but not Expert.

As for your formattion, very good suggestion. As you know I play as a sniper role, I will hardly cross to the front. Leave the back for me. TM cover me when I am in danger. We both normally back u guys up when youre in danger.

P/S: Your picture looks very funny and made my day. Laughing

As for Aosh, overall you still at your top fighting condition. I noticed you just have to improve your shooting accuracy only, especially bomb throwing. Your covering skill is still ok to me.

As for Barney and tofu, we all really need some understanding. Cos sometimes we cant cover u guys when youre being attack.
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  barney on Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:18 pm

so this will be our role in L4D2

TOFU and BARNEY

  • front line assaulter
  • clear zombie in front and hordes
  • look back constantly to see if any zombie or hordes coming
  • inform sniper support if SI found
AOSH

  • support type
  • kill zombie if they come close to teammates
  • help assaulter to clear zombie in front but stay in position behind assaulter
  • look behind to check on unwanted zombie around
SKL

  • sniper/support type (primary sniper)
  • kill SI in front before reaching team mate
  • help clear road in front only when there is minimum danger and as part time only
this should be our role and if we can stick to this im sure less hordes will eventually reach us and surviving will be high
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  tofuemperor on Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:48 pm

hohoho.....all the replies so long....ok lar we will see how good barney's formation is....however i will suggest another formation 1-1-1-1 aka zig zag formation.....

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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  barney on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:06 pm

ATTENTION! tonight L4D2 8pm SHARP ar cyber sri petaling. Please gather for dark carnival rematch no2. today use my formation. starting no sniper so use 1-2-1 formation...once got sniper to take then we change to sniper formation....
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Post  aosh2tm on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:08 pm

barney wrote:ATTENTION! tonight L4D2 8pm SHARP ar cyber sri petaling. Please gather for dark carnival rematch no2. today use my formation. starting no sniper so use 1-2-1 formation...once got sniper to take then we change to sniper formation....

ok got it.
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Post  tofuemperor on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:16 pm

barney wrote:ATTENTION! tonight L4D2 8pm SHARP ar cyber sri petaling. Please gather for dark carnival rematch no2. today use my formation. starting no sniper so use 1-2-1 formation...once got sniper to take then we change to sniper formation....

Aku tak mau di depan, zombi banyak datang serang aku. Aku pergi belakang jaga buntut kamu semua. Ini kerana mula mula senapang ada memang tarak power, susah nak bunuh zombi. Pasti kena kongket. Tapi, kita boleh cuba dulu lar kemudian tengok macam mana.
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  barney on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:35 pm

tofumaster wrote:
barney wrote:ATTENTION! tonight L4D2 8pm SHARP ar cyber sri petaling. Please gather for dark carnival rematch no2. today use my formation. starting no sniper so use 1-2-1 formation...once got sniper to take then we change to sniper formation....

Aku tak mau di depan, zombi banyak datang serang aku. Aku pergi belakang jaga buntut kamu semua. Ini kerana mula mula senapang ada memang tarak power, susah nak bunuh zombi. Pasti kena kongket. Tapi, kita boleh cuba dulu lar kemudian tengok macam mana.

i take the front role then....u take mine....pussy!
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  tofuemperor on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:39 pm

kamu boleh keh? jangan lagak....nanti mati katak.....sial sial lar formasi engkau
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  barney on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:41 pm

tofumaster wrote:kamu boleh keh? jangan lagak....nanti mati katak.....sial sial lar formasi engkau

pukimak lu....that is why its call play as a team! not 1 man for themself! really tarak guna punya orang
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  aosh2tm on Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:56 pm

As for the 1st map, we keep positioning at the one to one side... not at the center of the highway road during the starting area. This could be a challenge when horde attacks coming from front and back.
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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  tofuemperor on Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:15 pm

itu lebuhraya memang tempat celaka...konon ada kerjasama susah juga, tapi tak usah bimbang aku tengok youtube ada jalan pendek........ingat mesti pandai lompat atas lori nanti...ini macam boleh sampai tingkat pertama motel dengan segera

saksikan lah video ini...tengok 2:18

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Re: Dark Carnival expert mode 1st attempt (unbiased review)

Post  aosh2tm on Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:05 pm

ok.. we can try that short cut
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